These photos were taken this morning around 8:00 AM. Lots of blood on Washington Road, heading north, just before the light at Castle Shannon Blvd. Definitely the result of bow killing. This is horrible on so many levels!
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| Deer blood and fur in library parking lot. |
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| Close up of blood on sidewalk on Mellon’s safe walking route. |
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| From opposite direction. Note that all this blood is within the school zone. |
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| Deer blood and fur in library parking lot. |
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Blood on Washington Road—from the parking lot steps, dwindling down just before the traffic light at Castle Shannon Blvd.
Announcements currently on the School District website
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Yep. That's bow hunting. Lebo is uncivilized.
ReplyDeleteWere Dr. Steinhauer and Chief Lauth informed of this ?
ReplyDeleteWounded deer darting into streets cause accidents. This is dreadful!
ReplyDeleteWant to bet that this is swept under the carpet and will not be addressed at the Safety Meeting scheduled for tomorrow night?
ReplyDeleteElaine
I heard from Chief Aaron Lauth.
ReplyDeleteFrom: Aaron Lauth
To: E.T. Gillen
Cc: ML School SuperIntendent (tsteinhauer@mtlsd.net) ; schoolboard ;
commission
Subject: Re: Wrong on so many levels!
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2018 11:13 am
Ms. Gillen,
Last evening at 12:40 am, one of our officers came upon a deceased deer in the 800 block of Washington Road.
The deer carcass was located in the northbound travel lanes of the roadway. Based on the condition of the carcass and the evidence at the scene, it appeared that the deer had been struck by a vehicle. The striking vehicle was not on-scene, nor did we receive any calls from the operator of the vehicle who had apparently struck the deer, none of which is required for animal strikes involving a single vehicle and no other property damage or personal injury. As is our practice when observing a large deceased animal in the roadway, the officer removed the carcass from the travel lanes to a nearby location for later removal by an Animal Control Officer. For this situation, the officer chose to drag the deceased deer to the corner of the Southminster Church parking lot where an Animal Control Officer arrived to remove it at approximately 8:30 am this morning.
Please let me know if you have any additional questions regarding this situation.
Thanks,
Aaron V. Lauth
Chief of Police
Mt Lebanon Police Department
555 Washington Road
Pittsburgh, PA 15228
(412)343-4015
alauth@mtlebanon.org
www.mtlebanonpd.org
"As is our practice when observing a large deceases animal in the roadway...." Nobody should ever say that.
ReplyDeleteJudging from the intense red color of the blood and that it appears to still be wet, that deer did not die around 1 AM. More likely, the deer was killed shortly before the photos were taken. Maybe within an hour or so.
Liar, liar, pants on fire, Chief.
If this deer had darted out into the roadway and hit a car, you'd better believe that the driver would have called the cops. Aaron's explanation defies common sense.
ReplyDeleteIs he telling us that a 300 lbs. deer was lying in the major roadway and nobody called it in? There are people on the road at 12:40 AM, Chief. Is he also saying that, after the cop dragged the 300 lbs. deer off the road, across the sidewalk and up the embankment to the parking lot, the MLPD let it lie there stinking to high heaven for another 7 1/2 hours?
ReplyDeleteThe students at Mellon start school at 8 AM. Surely some of them saw it and all of them smelled it.
Something is wrong with this story.
I see 1:49PM has the skills to conduct a forensic analysis from a photo and that 2:15PM thinks it's common for deer in this area to weigh 300 pounds. Not many deer in the Central PA woods reach that size. Most deer around here are 1/2 that, even 1/3rd. A 300 pound deer is mighty large.
ReplyDeleteSince everything is a conspiracy theory, how about another theory that's just as plausible as those offered.
The driver who hit the deer never called the cops. I wouldn't. I'd drive down the road and see if my car was OK. If it was, I'd be on my way. I certainly wouldn't go check on a potentially injured, crazed deer in the middle of Route 19. Call me heartless. It's OK.
Lets say the deer was hit about 5 minutes before the cop came across it because he was cruising Washington Road. Something the Mt. Lebanon Police due with regularity. The officer got out and dragged the 125 pound deer to the parking lot. Hopefully he put a sheet on it and said a prayer to Saint Giles. Then he called animal control.
The villain here is animal control. Can't they pick up a dead deer before 8AM? There ought to an emergency road kill team. They could get overtime.
Saint Giles? Never heard of him. Must've missed CCD that week.
ReplyDeleteFYI 5:20, Google Saint Giles and the Hind and view the paintings
ReplyDeleteHere is a piece of trivia---white-tailed deer can swim 15 MPH. I am impressed.
ReplyDeleteJust came up Washington Road. Blood still there.
ReplyDeleteAnother piece of trivia.
ReplyDeleteMost MTL drivers can’t drive under 35 mph or come to a complete stop at stop signs. LOL
HUNTING INCREASES CAR-DEER COLLISIONS
ReplyDeleteStudies show that hunting actually increases car-deer collisions. According to the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration, most car-deer collisions happen during hunting season. Pennsylvania’s second largest insurance company (the nation’s 12th largest insurer) — Erie Insurance — collected data that showed a five-fold increase in car-deer collisions on the first day of hunting, and that car-deer collisions remain high throughout hunting season. This is caused by hunters pushing deer out into the roads and panicked wounded deer running into the roads. In addition, once you kill the matriarch doe, whose job it is to safely cross her family, her orphans will run into the roads without caution.
So if Mt. Lebanon sponsors and coordinates a bow hunting program it will increase car-deer collisions in the surrounding residential community. Again, this raises the question of liability for any damage, injuries, or deaths that are caused by its sponsored hunting program.
This also raises the question if Chief Lauth has given any instruction to his officers and animal control to check the deer in any car-deer collisions to determine if the deer was wounded, and if there was any hunting being done on property close by. I think this would be critically important information to determine if the car-deer collision was at all related to Mt. Lebanon's sponsored and coordinated deer hunting program currently being carried out on private and public property.
That said, this is information that the Mt. Lebanon Commission likely does not want to be tracked or reported on, because of their complicity and liability. That's why they don't want to know anything about the deer hunting program that they coordinate and sponsor. However, this intentional ignorance in their sponsored deer hunting program should not protect Mt. Lebanon from liability claims in the case of damages, injuries, or death.
BOW HUNTING 50% + WOUNDING RATE
ReplyDeleteBow Hunting is extremely ineffective and inhumane. Twenty-two published scientific surveys and studies indicate that the average wounding rate for bow hunting is over 50 percent. More than one out of every two deer shot is never retrieved, but dies a slow tortuous death from blood loss and infection. Many of these wounded deer will be running out into the roads causing accidents, and other will be dying in residents yards traumatizing families and their children.
For example, “Preliminary Archery Survey Report” Montana Dept. of Fish Wildlife and Parks reports 51% wounding; “Archery Wounding Loss in Texas” Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (51% wounded); “Deer Hunting Retrieval Rates” Michigan Pittman-Robertson Report, Michigan Dept. of Natural Resources (58% wounded); “Effects of Compound Bow Use on Hunter Success and Crippling Rates in Iowa” Wildlife Society Bulletin (49% wounded); “Bow hunting for Deer in Vermont: Some Characteristics of the Hunters, the Hunt, and the Harvest” Vermont Fish and Game Department (63% wounded). The average wounding rate from all 22 reports is 55%.
Laura Simon, The Humane Society of the United States’ wildlife biologist, writes, “Bow-hunting is undeniably inhumane and can incur wounding rates ranging from 40%-60% (Gregory 2005, Nixon et. al 2001, Moen 1989, Cada 1988, Boydston and Gore 1987, Langenau 1986, Gladfelter 1983, Stormer et. al, 1979, Downing 1971). In other words, on average, for every deer struck by an arrow, another may be wounded but not killed. The sight of wounded deer can be extremely traumatic for adults and children alike, and was one of the main reasons that a deer hunt on Fire Island in NY was called off and a immunocontraception-based program implemented instead.”
The Mt. Lebanon Commission has turned Mt. Lebanon into a private hunting preserve for (I think) close to 6 mths out of the year. They don't even close the parks while hunters are hunting, i.e. firing lethal weapons, and killing deer. So anyone inc. kids who go to the parks are put in lethal danger, and potentially exposed to being traumatized by wounded and dead deer bleeding out.
ReplyDeleteBOW-HUNTING AND TRACKING THE BLOOD TRAIL OF WOUNDED DEER
Remember, with bow hunting there is a 50%+ wounding rate. Tracking of wounded deer and following a blood trail is difficult enough in PA’s state game lands with hundreds to thousands of acres of forest and woodlands where the hunter has legal access to these large tracks of property to track and kill the deer. However, how are the hunters going to track and kill wounded deer shot on Mt. Lebanon's public and private property that run into the surrounding densely populated community. It’s illegal for the hunter to trespass or use lethal weapons on privately owned land w/o permission?
“Most deer can travel very fast when wounded. They can hit 35 mph [sound safe], and even if they die quickly after the shot, they can travel a long distance before collapsing. A wounded deer will not go far unless it is pushed. Therefore it’s always a good idea to sit still for at least a half-hour after the shot unless you want to make the tracking job a lot more difficult. … Timing is very important. Tracking too soon is the No. 1 reason why mortally wounded deer travel long distances and make recovery difficult or impossible. Unless the animal drops within sight, no trail should be taken within 30 minutes. The deer you just shot will be looking at the spot where it was wounded to see what happened. It will bed down soon and try to lick or heal the wound, usually within the first 40 yards if there is good cover. Don’t turn a 40-yard trail into a 400-yard trail! Blood with green matter should dictate a minimum five-to-six-hour wait before tracking.” [After The Shot: Blood Tracking Whitetails by Jerry Allen, 9/22/10]
These bow hunting facts make me wonder how much info. residents don't know about Mt. Lebanon's current bow hunting program, i.e. how many wounded deer are killed on property that did not approve hunting?; how many wounded deer are responsible for car-deer collisions?, etc.
Did the Mt. Lebanon Commission give a directive to Chief Lauth to track this kind of info and report back to the commission? Based on the history of Mt. Lebanon Commission's position of intentional ignorance about their sponsored and coordinated deer hunting program, I'm assuming that they don't want this information tracked or reported on.
4:29 You nailed it.
ReplyDeleteSomething odd about those photos above from the deer accident on Washington Road.
ReplyDeleteCan’t say that I’ve ever seen a blood trail like that near any deer road kill.
Seems to me that legs get broken and massive internal body trauma from the impact, but usually very little blood flow.
Of course bow hunting increases deer-vehicle collisions. I haven't seen a deer on Washington Road UNTIL bow hunting started. What a messed up place to live.
ReplyDelete2:24 PM, yes, I noticed that too. Unfortunately, when we observe irregularities, the trolls come out of the woodwork to say that everything is a conspiracy on this blog.
ReplyDeleteI have seen some pretty nasty blood stains on 79 or the turnpike from tractor trailers traveling at high speeds, but we are talking about Washington Road by the library.
10:16 AM, when this whole deer killing started, the stated goal was to reduce the deer/vehicle collisions by 50% in five years or less. Now President Silverman has dropped the 50% part and has changed the goal to a five year plan. I don't know where to find the reports which tracked this information. Do you?
Elaine
I spent a couple of weeks visiting my kid in Florida. Down there, seminars are held on "Living with Alligators" or "Misunderstood snakes and who to call when they enter your homes" or "How to tell which snakes are poisonous."
ReplyDeleteIt is really embarrassing when I say that we kill deer because they are scary.
Elaine
Just to be clear @2:24, I wasn’t trying to insinuate some conspiracy theory with the police.
ReplyDeleteIt’s just odd the large amount of blood and the length of the trail from a deer/vehicle accident on Washington.
Could an explanation be that the deer was already had a wound and the accident made it worse.
Also, seems the vehicle would have significant damage, one would think the driver would want an accident report to submit to their insurance company. I’m told agencies can’t raise your car insurance rate because of deer damage claim in Pennsylvania.
Maybe the driver was speeding and DUI and wanted to avoid getting the police involved.
Or, maybe the drive was uninsured.
ReplyDelete2:24 It was a massive amount of blood on Washington Road. Some of the blood in the parking lot still had air bubbles in it. I know. I took the photos.
ReplyDeleteSometimes there are fake investigations. There should be a partnership between lebo Citizens and fake lebo so that there can be a fake lebo hall of fame stemming from the experience and survival of severe fakeness in mt lebanon. aaron lauth -- you know what i'm talking about.
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