The commission's goal is to reduce car accidents by 50% in five years. Interestingly, the municipality stopped tracking deer-vehicle collisions when the numbers indicated a decline in this final 7/31/14 report. The municipality is back to showing deer "incidents," which include deer sightings.
Mt. Lebanon commissioners take steps toward deer management
Mt. Lebanon revises plan to thin deer
Game Commission would prefer Mt. Lebanon hunt deer
Sterilization
Deer sterilization is a non-lethal method of deer management. Grant money is available for deer sterilization, which was not reflected in the costs posted by the PG. Sterilization is being done in other states with much success. If the Game Commission approves sterilization, we will be the first in the state to have such a program.
Archery
Archery will be done in daylight hours. Just as I had seen a buck with an arrow in its side walking around on MacArthur on Election Night, this will be a common sight for all. During a recent commission meeting, I asked if Bethel Park had an obligation to contain their deer within Bethel Park while they shot their deer. The answer was no.
Clover Trapping Deer
Please click on URL link below to view a short video that gives an example of the intense stress, panic, and struggle that deer experience in a clover trap. (I won't watch this.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XezJJNzg3nY
Clover Trapping and Shooting Deer
Expert Testimonial
Laura Simon, Wildlife Biologist, The Humane Society of the United States - Excerpts from Letter to Mt. Lebanon Commission, Nov. 6, 2012
While it may sound humane to live capture deer in this way and then euthanize them, the reality is quite different. First of all, deer are extremely stress-prone animals with a highly developed flight response. Once captured, deer tend to panic and "bounce off the walls" in response to being captured and restrained. Their fear level is compounded by the lack of visual barriers, which allows them to see oncoming threats but lack the capability to flee. ... Any effort to safely and humanely kill deer captured in a clover-trap will be arduous and potentially dangerous. The stress levels of deer in a clover trap approached by humans can be huge. Some deer will lie down and try to become invisible, but others will repeatedly charge all the sides of the trap, making a lethal shot extremely difficult at best. ... And of course pistols, like all firearms, are susceptible to ricochet and misfire, which raises additional humane and safety issues. There are various protocols which can be used for capturing and killing deer in clover-traps, yet all have high potential for inhumane outcomes. ... For all these reasons, the HSUS does not recommend the use of clover traps for live-capturing and euthanizing deer. ... T
Capture and Bolt Killing of Deer
EXPERT TESTIMONIALS
Jack Schrier, the NJ Fish & Game Council
The U.S. Veterinarians' Association has stated publicly that net-and-bolt is not appropriate for use in the field. If this loathsome slaughterhouse killing method is employed in any town, it will debase that town and its good people.
Allen T. Rutberg, Ph. D., School of Veterinary Medicine at Tufts University
My personal opinion ... is that netting & bolting free range deer is at best difficult to carry out humanely and at worst is brutally cruel. Because the practice localizes responsibility for killing with specific property owners, it also stirs up personal animosity among members of the community. Again in my opinion, the potential for animal suffering and the elevated animosity generated by the practice outweighs any benefits that might be achieved by deer population reduction.
Peggy W. Larson, DVM, MS, JD
[Trap and Bolt] This is a very inhumane way to rid yourselves of excess deer because of the extreme fright experienced by the deer and because the captured bolt does not effect a clean kill when the animal’s head is not immobilized. ... If a wounded deer escapes the netting, a resident of the town could be injured and the town held liable. Anyone watching this violent procedure or even knowing about it certainly would find it unpleasant and some may find it emotionally traumatic, especially children. Bait, net and attempt to kill is not a humane solution.
John W. Grandy, Ph.D. Senior Vice President of The Humane Society of the United States
The Humans Society of the United States (HSUS) is committed to preventing needless pain and suffering to all animals. It is cruel to attempt to euthanize a wild animal with a captive bolt gun because the animal will suffer needlessly and terribly. There is nothing remotely humane in this process.
Laura Simon, Wildlife Biologist, The Humane Society of the United States
HSUS Letter to Mt. Lebanon Commission Opposing Clover Trap and Kill, 11/6/2012
I am writing to object strongly to your town’s plan to use trapping and the captive bolt as a management tool for white-tailed deer. The HSUS is committed to preventing suffering in all animals. We firmly believe that it is impossible to ensure that this technology is used correctly and consistently enough in the field to provide a humane death to deer. Captive bolt guns are designed for use on restrained domestic animals in highly structured and controlled environments. Even there, the "humaneness" of these devices has been called into question. These guns were not designed for use on wild animals under any circumstances, and certainly not as a management tool for white-tailed deer.
Clover Trap Capture and Bolt Killing of Deer
After the deer are trapped in a clover trap a hired contractor collapses the trap on the deer and attempts to steady the deer while another contractor fires the bolt gun -- a 4 inch retractable steel rod -- into her skull. Since the deer are inadequately restrained and are strong and heavy, they frequently manage to move. The bolt-gun is then misfired into their eye, jaw, ear or nose. The contractor must reload the bolt gun before trying again. Death from the bolt-gun is often not immediate, adding more prolonged suffering to already terrified animals.
The Reality of Net and Bolt Killing of Deer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=neOr8F8c6as
An explosive charge propels nets over a group of deer, tossing them in the air and ensnaring them. They thrash around, crying out in fear and panic as they are shot in the head with metal bolts. (Undercover footage by SHARK)
The above Net and Bolt youtube video was a S.H.A.R.K undercover investigation to expose animal cruelty. You can see the original video, background info. and veterinarian testimonies who viewed these videos regarding animal cruelty at the S.H.A.R.K. URL link below. We urge you to review the veterinarian testimonies.
Net and Bolt
http://www.sharkonline.org/index.php/deer-rocket-netting
Update November 21, 2014 6:16 PM The deer management plan is available for viewing on Monday's agenda. A few fast ones by our tricky experts: The plan discusses sharp shooting even though Manager Feller, Dave Brumfield, and John Bendel stated that they are opposed to sharpshooting. Second, the Municipal Deer Control Permit is to include both lethal and sterilization, NOT file two separate permits. Finally, we are NOT to assume that there are 500 deer. That was a number that Kristen and Tony DiNicola came up with during a telephone conversation. There was no aerial survey conducted.
I am writing to object strongly to your town’s plan to use trapping and the captive bolt as a management tool for white-tailed deer. The HSUS is committed to preventing suffering in all animals. We firmly believe that it is impossible to ensure that this technology is used correctly and consistently enough in the field to provide a humane death to deer. Captive bolt guns are designed for use on restrained domestic animals in highly structured and controlled environments. Even there, the "humaneness" of these devices has been called into question. These guns were not designed for use on wild animals under any circumstances, and certainly not as a management tool for white-tailed deer.
Clover Trap Capture and Bolt Killing of Deer
The Reality of Net and Bolt Killing of Deer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=neOr8F8c6as
An explosive charge propels nets over a group of deer, tossing them in the air and ensnaring them. They thrash around, crying out in fear and panic as they are shot in the head with metal bolts. (Undercover footage by SHARK)
The above Net and Bolt youtube video was a S.H.A.R.K undercover investigation to expose animal cruelty. You can see the original video, background info. and veterinarian testimonies who viewed these videos regarding animal cruelty at the S.H.A.R.K. URL link below. We urge you to review the veterinarian testimonies.
Net and Bolt
http://www.sharkonline.org/index.php/deer-rocket-netting
Update November 21, 2014 6:16 PM The deer management plan is available for viewing on Monday's agenda. A few fast ones by our tricky experts: The plan discusses sharp shooting even though Manager Feller, Dave Brumfield, and John Bendel stated that they are opposed to sharpshooting. Second, the Municipal Deer Control Permit is to include both lethal and sterilization, NOT file two separate permits. Finally, we are NOT to assume that there are 500 deer. That was a number that Kristen and Tony DiNicola came up with during a telephone conversation. There was no aerial survey conducted.
27 comments:
To the commissioners.
I oppose a MTL only deer cull. Even sterlization seems a little rediculous considering that deer rsnge a number of miles.
We could exterminate them all tomorrow and the day after still have a deer ready to run out in front of a car.
To really address this problem, perhaps the PA Game Commission should expand deer season statewide. Around 1900-1920 deer were almost wiped out in Pennsylvania, pehaps it is time to cull the whole state so that the deer return to the woods.
Corrections @8:04
range
-exterminate them all in Mt. Lebanon tomorrow and the day after still have a deer ready to run out in front of a car.
8:04 That makes absolutly no sense. How will expanded statewide hunting make the deer in Mt. Lebanon "return to the woods"? In fact it seems to me if there were increased hunting pressure elsewhere; but no hunting permitted in Mt. Lebanon, more deer would migrate here. An effecient, well supervised hunt in Mt. Lebanon will help to solve the problem. I cannot walk my dog at night without running into deer.
News flash, 8:39 AM, you won't be able to walk your dog during the day without running into hunters.
Elaine
Makes no sense 8:39.
Deer go where there is abundant food and shelter. If you cull the deer statewide then the deer will flow to the woods and game lands.
Deer are timid creatures and I'd imagine urban areas like MTL wouldn't be their first choice of residence.
They are thriving in MTL because it easier to graze here for food than compete in the overcrowded rural woods.
When Pennsylvania's deer population were rebounding from their near extinction in the early part of the 20th century it was rare to see deer in urban areas even in the 1950s and 60s.
FYI 8:39
http://www.statecollege.com/mobile/news/local-news/the-history-of-deer-management-in-pennsylvania,587735/
Mt Lebanon is anti-nature.
8:39 Nice try. Come back later for another round of "I Know Nothing About Deer But Want to Protect My Foo-Foo Yard".
You live in Pennsylvania and somehow believe there shouldnt be deer anywhere near your house? How do you function? Good lord, that's incredible.
No one said there shouldn't be deer anywhere in Pennsylvania.
What makes absolutely no sense is the belief that through culling or sterilization within the confines of Mt. Lebanon we won't have deer grazing on our lawns and crossing our roads.
What are we going to do? After the cull put up signs facing USC, Bethel, Scott, Castle Shannon and Dormont that read "NO DEER ALLOWED - THIS MEANS YOU BAMBI!
Yeah, that'll work. The only problem though- in several years President Linfante will have to grant the illegal immigrant deer amnesty so we can indentify which ones to shoot in future culls.
Here's an idea.
Why don't we employ one big massive hunt like they used occassionally in Africa to eliminate a man-eating lion.
We line the entire 33,000 residents of the village (it takes a village don'cha know) on the borders of Mt. Lebanon.
Then with horns, bells, drums, whistles, fire crackers, pots and pans, we drive the MTL deer population to Roycroft.
There a lone gunman (ooops-forgot... gunperson. Must be gender neutral or someone will be slighted) will lie in wait to take them all down.
It'll be a little messy, but on the plus side, clean up of the carcasses will be fast and it'll all be over in one day. It has to be cheaper and more efficient than bagging them one deer at a time.*
*sarcasm alert
As a new Mt. Lebanon resident, I'm absolutely appalled by this report and the "Eat More Venison" signs I've seen in my neighborhood. Apparently my neighbors think the value of a well landscaped garden far exceeds that of the life of a living creature. If you are worried about deer collisions, drive safely, watch your speed and be alert in areas where deer may be present. It's common sense and is the most effective method of avoiding collisions.
And it definitely makes more sense than hunting in densely populated areas!
To the author - I know there are petitions out there supporting the Commission's proposed lethal methods; Is there anyone petitioning those opposed to lethal control methods? I would love to be involved with this, but also have a job and therefore will not be able to attend on Monday.
Suggestion to 8:39 who wrote: "I cannot walk my dog at night without running into deer."
Do you bounce off or do you and the deer fall down in one big heap?
I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.
To Rachel. Email the commissioners and ask for your opinion to be read into the record. They've done it before.
Elaine and others work too.
Hi Rachel,
Welcome to Mt. Lebanon!
No, there is no petition opposing lethal methods. I have learned through the years that petitions mean nothing here in Lebo. Things pass with three votes, regardless of community input.
With that being said, please email the commissioners with your concerns at commission@mtlebanon.org, if you cannot attend the meeting.
This has been on Linfante's agenda ever since she became a commissioner. It doesn't matter that the aerial survey showed a reduction in deer. It doesn't matter that deer/car collisions are decreasing. It is all about commissioners personal agendas. No need to listen to constituents.
Elaine
Here's a thought that I'm surprised no one has mentioned: reduce accidents through enforcement of existing traffic code. How many roadways in the muni have a speed limit greater than 25? Washington (35 mph, Cochran (35) and Gilkeson (35)? Every day I witness cars and trucks, even tractor-trailers speeding down Cedar Blvd at speeds clearly over 25- probably over 40. Yet, I NEVER have seen a vehicle pulled over in this area. Sure, you see the occasional police car in the Wildcat Field parking lot... not sure what he's doing but it's not enforcing Cedar's speed limit. If vehicular traffic were forced to abide the speed limits within the muni, I bet there'd be a dramatic difference in the amount of deer-related automotive accidents. Operators paying attention traveling 25 mph will have greater reaction time and damage/injury will be reduced from the diminished impact. MTL Commission desperately needs to learn to make what we ALREADY have work BEFORE looking to the taxpayers' pocketbooks. The spend-happy attitude of the Cmmission and SB is an ugly and unsustainable cancer on the community that is driving people, not the deer away.
Jeff H.
Oh, I meant to add the word "alleged" in front of "deer-related automotive accidents". I believe it has previously been pointed out that these alleged accidents account for less than 1% of all motor vehicle incidents in MTL.
Jeff H.
Jeff H.
You're on the right track, but if you look at the police tally of incidents there simply aren't that many deer related ones. Certainly not ones resulting in serious injury and of those the injuries were a result of the driver making the wrong choice like steering into a pole to avoid the deer.
That is the reasoning behind the "Watch deer, don't veer" warning sign on Gilkenson.
I agree we have more injuries because of people driving and crossing roads without regard to the rules.
I will be putting salt licks and corn feed out for the deer after the culling is over. This will show the idiots (commissioners) that you can't control the deer population in this small of an area.
1:25 PM, there is now a ban on feeding deer. Our expert said that the ban had a major impact on reducing the deer population. That is what we were told after the aerial survey showed a decline in the numbers. But then Kristen said that the survey was inaccurate. All the deer were hiding. Then the deer crash report was pulled from the website and the farcical "deer incident report" went back up.
Kristen and the pro kill people want deer management as a line item on the budget. Translated, that means tax increase.
Elaine
Hey Elaine haven't you heard? Democrats are now ALLOWED to do as they damn well please! It's official. Laws to a democrat mean that it is something they change without the will of the people. In fact more the people are against it the faster, the harder, a democrat will rush to do it. Maybe people should show up Monday and demand that the commissioners shoot deer immediately. Then your buddy will go against the majority and stop it.
12:27-
I agree, there IS a crosswalk problem in this town. Mainly, not a lot of roads have 'em. Take Morgan Drive for example. Cedar Blvd. is a heavily jogged street intersecting with the entrance to our municipal park... but no crosswalk exists. When a neighbor asked the Traffic Board to install a crosswalk so their kids could safely walk to and from school, they were told they'd "look into it" and that "money is tight". What the hell DO my tax dollars pay for if a couple of white stripes on the road are not in the budget?
Jeff H.
Jeff H, your tax dollars pay for newmunicipal pool with peeling paint, a leaky public safety building, leaky gutters at Clearview Commons shelter, insufficient storm drains and pipes, a TOD study, two wooded parks that few residents use, unkempt ballfields, and now $1.2 million worth of scrap tires and plastic grass.
There's no room in the budget for a few cans of reflective paint.
Why don't they enter into an agreement with the Senior Class at the high school.
They can paint their Class Year on Cedar Hurst without penalty if they save enough paint to do the crosswalk lines at Morgan.
No cost to the municipality, the kids get their graffiti and don't need to be prosecuted and Jeff H's kids get their crosswalk.
A win, win, win.
This is great. The agenda for Monday evening's commission meeting is SIX pages long. November 24, 2014 Commission Meeting Agenda
Guess where the deer management item is? The very last agenda item before approving expenditures for the month.
Elaine
Please read the 6:16 PM update concerning the deer management plan. Soooo sleazy!
Elaine
What about the Coyote packs that roam the community stalking deer?
Do they have any plans to deal with the Coyote?
Imagine when the family sits down to dinner and the little kids get to watch the deer literally being eaten alive!
YUCK!
Hopefully nobody will start shooting to save the deer... and miss... :-0
We haven't seen the coyotes yet but have seen the remains of their kills. My wife has seen a fox several as she leaves for work around 5am. But there is already a cull of sorts... We found two deer heads and Animal Control said it was a coyote kills. Nature is taking care of the problem but are the people of Mt Lebanon ready for this? Dogs, cats, rabbits are some other coyote favorites.
JR - There are coyotes in the area but with Mt Lebanon's restrictive leash codes, it's unlikely they will come into contact with Lebo dogs. Coyotes, when they eat an animal, they usually leave behind the entire carcass... not just the head.
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