Friday, June 29, 2012

An open letter to Mr. Broadhurst

The following letter to Brooks Broadhurst comes from Mt. Lebanon resident and Lebo Citizens blog commenter, James E. Cannon III.

Mr. Broadhurst,
Thank you for commenting. And to demonstrate the willingness to have an open and honest debate, something happening less frequently lately with our local elected officials, I am signing my name to my comment.
First off, I'm not sure a blanket indictment of anyone critical of the YSA "plan" is the best way to start a conversation. Stating that those opposed to the idea of artificial turf either don't value sports or don't understand them is rather simplistic and somewhat insulting. To the contrary, I submit that those opposed to a somewhat haphazard plan as the one that has been publicly delivered actually do understand organized sports and do, in fact, care about the well-being of the children who participate.
Anyone who lives in Mt. Lebanon has to at least acknowledge the emphasis placed on athletics here. While many of us believe that emphasis is entirely too strong at times, we accept it as part of the larger picture, as do residents in surrounding communities who live much the same way. That larger picture includes another major component--public education. I am a product of our local system and since graduating in 1987, have been thankful for the challenging curriculum I had to endure. While personnel come and go over time, our community's overall commitment to providing a strong academic base for our kids has not. For that continuity, and that alone, the school district should be commended.
There are many other aspects to living here that help create the notion it is an attractive place in which to reside. All that said, you and the handful of pro-turf folks are missing the point entirely. I have not heard one person thus far say they are opposed to organized sports. In fact, many of those involved in the discussion have or had kids involved in those activities. What we (the alleged sports haters) are against is using public money to pay for a pet project. Because in the end, that's really what this is.
The reality is there is no basis in fact that artificial turf is advantageous. I offer a letter with several links*  that point to just the opposite conclusion. That, Mr. Broadhurst, is far above and beyond any evidence offered in favor of the fields and the four “youth athletics experts”, whatever that means.  For those who live vicariously through their childrens' athletic performances, keep in mind that professional athletes, for the most part, prefer grass as it isn't as hard on their body. And while teens generally think of themselves as invincible and are typically more physically resilient, injuries do occur, so why risk it? After all, aren’t some parents and children really banking on their supposed superior athletic ability to carry them through life? If so, why take a chance on the investment bottoming out due to something as innocuous as the playing surface? One could say those of us opposed to the turf idea actually care more about sports and the kids playing them than those rallying around the idea. We’re simply looking out for their health and well-being. That aside, though, the big hurdle is how to pay for it. We've seen enough reckless spending in our community with little transparency and little actual input from the community And Mr. Broadhurst, I would submit that we all deserve better. All of us.
If the group in favor of turfing the fields delivered a realistic and viable plan outlining how the project would be funded without using tax dollars, and then maintained similarly, I would personally help dig the trenches for the drainage system as an act of pure benevolence. But unless that happens, the idea of spending more of our money on something that isn't necessary, and poses a physical risk to those using it, seems irresponsible, especially given the current economic environment.
I understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for youth sports. Yes, it instills teamwork and camaraderie and, one would hope, a more robust work ethic (as do other things in life like church or the military). But at the end of the day, it’s all still recreation. There truly are more important things in life than throwing a ball or catching one.  I would suggest the commissioners take a breather and focus on addressing issues that actually affect the entire community instead of a small interested group.
In the interest of fairness, as I have always offered, I’m open to a personal discussion regarding my views. If anyone would like to sit down and have a conversation regarding this matter, let me know. I prefer breakfast so if you’re an early riser, you go to the front of the line.
Respectfully,
James E. Cannon III

*Story links of interest:

1. http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/40/5/990.abstract

Study from the American Journal of Sports Medicine. Salient points are:

a. Results: The ACL injury rate during games (8.06 per 10,000 athlete-exposures [AEs] 95% CI, 6.80-9.42) was significantly greater than the rate during practice (0.8 per 10,000 AEs 95% CI, 0.68-0.93). Players were 10.09 (95% CI, 8.08-12.59) times more likely to sustain an ACL injury in competition when compared with practices. When practice exposures were analyzed separately, the injury rate was significantly greater during scrimmages (3.99 per 10,000 AEs 95% CI, 2.29-5.94) compared with regular practices (0.83 per 10,000 AEs 95% CI, 0.69-0.97) and walk-throughs (0 per 10,000 AEs 95% CI, 0-0.14). There was an incidence rate of 1.73 ACL injuries per 10,000 AEs (95% CI, 1.47-2.0) on artificial playing surfaces compared with a rate of 1.24 per 10,000 AEs (95% CI, 1.05-1.45) on natural grass. The rate of ACL injury on artificial surfaces is 1.39 (95% CI, 1.11-1.73) times higher than the injury rate on grass surfaces.

b. Conclusion: Between 2004 and 2009, NCAA football players experienced a greater number of ACL injuries in games compared with practices, in scrimmages compared with regular practices, and when playing on artificial turf surfaces. This latter finding will need to be confirmed by additional studies.


2. According to Reuter’s Health, April 30 2012:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_124675.html

Story includes a quote from Dr. James Bradley, chief orthopedic surgeon for the Steelers.

3. http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/Surface%20Survey%202010.pdf

Every two years the NFL Players Association surveys its members about playing surfaces. (You can see the entire surveyhere.) Not surprisingly, more than half (69.4%) prefer to play on a grass field as opposed to artificial turf. Only 14% preferred the artificial turf, while 16% indicated they had no preference or the question was Not Applicable.

For the first ten years of the survey the fields were ranked regardless of playing surface. The top three spots were always held by grass fields. In 2006 the survey began dividing the favorites into Best/Worst Grass Fields and Best/Worst Artificial Fields.

Recurring comments noted at the end of the survey include this one: “Artificial turf is much harder on the body with joint soreness and makes for tougher work. Southern grass fields are the best.” More than 89% of the players agreed, believing artificial turf to be the cause of more soreness and fatigue that playing on grass. The majority (82.6%) also believe that artificial turf is more likely to contribute to injury and almost 90% believe that playing on artificial turf is more likely to shorten their career.

But the NFL is obviously not taking the players’ concerns seriously, as almost 42% of the NFL stadiums have installed artificial turf. Who’s not listening?

New Meadowlands, home of the New York Giants and New York Jets

Cowboys Stadium, home of the Dallas Cowboys

Louisiana Superdome, home of the New Orleans Saints

Ralph Wilson Stadium, home of the Buffalo Bills

Georgia Dome, home of the Atlanta Falcons

M&T Bank Stadium, home of the Baltimore Ravens

Gillette Stadium, home of the New England Patriots

CenturyLink Field, home of the Seattle Seahawks

Edward Jones Dome, home of the St. Louis Rams

Paul Brown Stadium, home of the Cincinnati Bengals

Ford Field, home of the Detroit Lions

Mall of America Field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome, home of the Minnesota Vikings

Lucas Oil Stadium, home of the Indianapolis Colts


4. http://www.bethelfarms.com/blog/tag/artificial-turf-vs-grass/
Artificial vs. Natural Turf – The Hard Facts

Thursday, October 6th, 2011

There is a risk of injury with every sport, on every surface. But the fact is that risk increases when the playing field is artificial turf. Studies have found a higher incidence of surface to skin injuries and muscle strains and spasms on artificial turf. We looked at the dangers of surface to skin injuries in the last two posts, with both sanitary and heat-related injuries.

In the 2010 NFL Players Association Playing Surfaces survey, over 82% of players indicated they agree that there is a higher incidence of injury on artificial turf surfaces compared to natural turf. When asked which surfaces contributed to muscle soreness and fatigue, 89% responded “artificial turf.”

It’s not just opinion however. A five year study of eight high schools reported that athletes incurred more injuries on artificial turf surfaces. Of every ten games played, athletes incurred injuries 15.2 percent of the time when playing on artificial turf versus 13.9 percent of the time when playing on natural turf.

As Anaheim Angels’ Troy Glaus said after sustaining an injury on artificial turf in 2004, “You can’t simulate grass. No matter what you do, you can’t fake it…”


5. http://www.synturf.org/playersview.html

This page has 44 different blurbs from news stories regarding artificial turf and involves both football and soccer, domestically and internationally.

6. http://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/Abstract/2010/01000/Incidence_of_Injury_Among_Adolescent_Soccer.1.aspx

Conclusion: Adolescent players routinely training on AT for prolonged periods should be carefully monitored, even on AT conforming to new standards.

 

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm an anonymous poster and for now I will remain anonymous. So if you abhor anonymous post don't read further.

Right now, I'm on the fence- sorry grass and turf people.

I love sports, think they're great. I love to see kids get out, organize their own teams and just play. Pay cause they love it. Not because mommy and daddy promised them a Rita's after the game, but because they love the sport.

Now I personally prefer grass to turf. I don't know if one is better or not. On the plus side turf can with stand more use, but it is also infinitly more expensive.

What I don't understand is why we can't discuss the alternatives rationally.

This appears in another Sports Association web page.
SPYA breaks ground on new dedicated lacrosse field.
Date Posted: 5/24/2012
The South Park Youth Association(SPYA) Board has agreed to pay for the building of a dedicated lacrosse field at the current Carmel Middle School Auxiliary Field. It will cost approximately $75K to build out the field and there will be ongoing costs for water and maintenance. This is fantastic news for the South Park Lacrosse program as it will have full usage of the facility starting in Spring 2013. It will be a regulation size lacrosse field, fenced in and fully irrigated. Starting in 2013, the program will have two fields at it's disposal, Carmel Road Park and the new South Park lacrosse field.
Contractors broke ground this week on the field and expect to have it ready for seeding my mid-June.

A entirely new field for $95,000 dollars! I like that next to last sentence: "the program will have two fields at it's disposal". The YSA is talking about increasing play time by 62% for $1.125 million.
They for $95,000 increased their field available by 100%. I can't see the logic to spending a million dollars improving what is already our best field.
Wouldn't another one allow for more play?

Don't spend a million dollars on turf, perhaps there is a few thousand available to improve the conditions at our worst fields. One other benefit, with an additional field, we could rest the others thereby saving the grass.

I guess trying to be logical makes me a sports hater! Those are my thoughts, anonymous as they are.

Of course if the YSA wants to pay to play on artificial turf, I won't stand in their way.

Nice letter Mr. Cannon

Anonymous said...

It is curious how in this community that prides itself on its elite intellectual resources that our discourse is marked by a peculiar lack of civility. Why is it that when we disagree on methods, those who propose alternatives to the "authorized" view are always labeled as "against"--against education, against sports, against children, and on and on, when it is not the goal, but the means to which objection is raised? It seems to me that this is a singularly Mt. Lebanon phenomenon that is clearly anti-intellectual and anti-democratic. Why can't we elevate the debate by listening and responding on the merits of civic criticism?

Mr. Cannon III's point in that regard is well taken, without regard to his position on whether turf is or is not a "solution" for any legitimate issue before the YSA. It is time for the adults in this community to take it back from the back-stabbers, the name-callers, and those who think that drowning out ideas that are not their own is a clever substitute for rationale thought.

Enough! This community needs to open its mind and let some fresh thinking move us off our self-imposed inability to solve problems. It is time for the adults to stop behaving like spoiled children or members of Congress.

Steve Diaz.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Broadhurst writes:
"My thought on the issue of fields is simple fact...our commmunity fields are in deplorable shape."

Mr. Franklin writes:
The biggest issue with our fields is not their condition (except for Mellon, which is awful). Most of our baseball fields are in good condition. Our other fields (Bird, Jefferson) could benefit from some time off, but that only works if a similar sized field comes online to take the pressure off.

Before we go looking for solutions shouldn't we have a handle on the problem?

Another $95,000 field (isn't that what Fraasch proposed) give the others some time off as you suggest Dave?

Anonymous said...

Fraasch proposed another $700,000 field AND a $95,000 field. Neither of which are full sized.

Lebo Citizens said...

Jim, thanks for those links. I got a kick out of James Harrison's comment No. 40 synturf.org link. The Steelers' Dr. Bradley agreed that knee injuries are more likely on artificial turf. What I appreciate about these links, Jim, is they were not written by artificial turf companies. They were written from athletes' perspectives. I still maintain that artificial is not safe for our kids.
Elaine

James E. Cannon III said...

Elaine, I did more research than what is outlined here. In almost every case, where a "study" or report was pro-turf in its conclusions, it was funded either wholly or partially by a company or companies with a financial stake in artifical surfaces. I say almost because I did locate some reports that appear to be independent but they didn't deliver what I would label a glowing endorsement of artificial surfaces. At best, those neutral reports indicated it was a wash. That, of course, goes right back to the problem I have with all of this--funding. It just isn't realistic to expect multiple fields to be completely overhauled for under a million dollars. It will be millions, plural, and that's just to revamp the current surfaces.

This idea should never have seen the light of day but sadly, I'm not surprised it grew legs. The question of "why" we need artifical turf on fields used primarily for baseball and softball has still not been answered. If it has to do with a desire for expanded use, here's a very easy solution--tell your children "no". It's a very powerful word and an invaluable life lesson. That way, they'll learn early on they can't have it all. Oh, and it's free.

That said, please allow me to reiterate my offer of a personal conversation with anyone who wishes to have a civil, fact-based, face-to-face discussion regarding this turf idea.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

The Steelers practice on synthetic turf every day and they are paying for a new synthetic turf @ Penn Hills HS. Just sayin

Mt. Lebanon News and Views said...

Mr. Cannon, since you did not attend the presentation of the plan last week and since you have not reviewed the binders of information that have been collected as part of this process, it is unfortunate that you would come right out and label the proposal as haphazard, irresponsible and not viable. Without speaking to the YSA or anyone else involved in the submission of this proposal before making such statements it would appear to me that you have chosen to ignore your own rule of wanting to engage in "civil, fact based, face-to-face" discussions. You invite us to meet with you to discuss the proposal, yet you've already declared it to be a flop. That's unfortunate.

Dave Franklin

Lebo Citizens said...

Why do I keep hearing about fields in other communities getting paid by so and so, yet the YSA proposal briefly touched on a $200,000 contribution with no mention that it will be spread over ten years? The taxpayers get to foot the bill here in Mt. Lebanon. That's unfortunate.
Elaine

James E. Cannon III said...

Mr. Franklin,

By all means, then, reveal the "binders of information" for the public to see. Or is it your contention that unless one attended the commission meeting, one is not entitled to comment? As I understand it, the way it works with our form of government is, you compile information, as much as you can find that will support your plan, and then offer it up for public consumption. Those opposed do the same. What follows is a public discussion and, ultimately, a vote by elected representatives, in this case the commissioners. The problem is, we (the public) have to base our opinion entirely on the scant information you provided. And yes, looking at the presentation I think referring to it as haphazard is being kind. So if take issue with my conclusion, I would suggest offering more data.

In a matter of about two hours, I cobbled together a letter along with muliple articles from unbiased sources that all indicate there is not only no advantage to artificial turf but that professional athletes worldwide in various sports prefer grass. While I appreciate that you fancy yourself an expert on youth athletics, when it comes to determining which surface is preferred by paid athletes, I tend to put more weight in their opinions. It's nothing personal but it's the same reason I don't take medical advice from an auto mechanic and vice versa.

I also see you didn't refute any points in my letter or the supporting articles. But I'm open-minded and will gladly entertain further discussion on the matter. Please let me know when you have a morning free as I am willing to talk face to face. Who knows, Mr. Franklin, you may, in the interim, devise a plan that achieves your goal while not using public money, and you just may persaude me.

R/S

Richard Gideon said...

With respect to his reply to David Franklin Esq., Mr. Cannon III writes, in part, "..you may, in the interim, devise a plan that achieves your goal while not using public money.." - and nails the issue, at least for me.

Every dollar that YSA demands from the public purse is one less dollar that individual families could spend on their own projects, charities, or children. If YSA has the resources to make their carpeted fields come to fruition then more power to them; just don't resort to legal plunder, as Frédéric Bastiat called it, to achieve limited, private goals.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Gideon: I'll reiterate my suggestion from the the day if the YSA is intent on turfing Wildcat. It doesn't require any money from the muni and only a $10 increase from parents that want their kids to play.

As for whether turf is better or worse for the athletes I'll let our pediatricians, doctors and sports herapist have the last say on that.

From the other day:
Anonymous said...
Mr. Franklin, Mr. Gideon, Commissioners, just did some rough calculations and financially it looks feasible to me. I'd love to hear why its not at least open for consideration.

Freed JMA commitment - $30,000
Sign revenue - $ 5,000
(est. 10 @ $500 ea.)
2,500 athletes - $25,000 ($10 registration fee increase)
Rental/tournaments - ?????
Snack bar/YSA shop - ?????
Naming Rights - ????? (Eat 'n Park perhaps)
Clinics/Camps - ?????

Just for the first three items the YSA has $60,000 a year to pay for their sports field.
If the plan they presented to the commissioners is good and the turf last fifteen years, their almost all the way to the $75,000 annual cost without the last three items. If they add another $15 instead of $10 to participants registrations they're practically there to the number they need.
And the commissioners and the taxpayers don't have to do anything, except lease them the field.
I can't believe they wouldn't jump at this to have their Field of Dreams!

June 27, 2012 6:01 PM

Anonymous said...

Regarding injuries, didn't turf toe play a big role in Jack Lamberts retirement?
Here's one google search of turf toe:
"Typically with turf toe, the injury is sudden. Its most commonly is seen in athletes playing on artificial surfaces, which are harder than grass surfaces and to which cleats are more likely to stick. It can also happen on a grass surface, especially if the shoe being worn doesn't provide adequate support for the foot. Often the injury occurs in athletes wearing flexible soccer-style shoes that let the foot bend too far forward."

Lebo Citizens said...

Jordan Halter explained that artificial turf is much different now than when Jack Lambert retired. He went on to say that it is different than the turf that we presently have at the high school. That statement makes me nervous. I guess we have to update that new turf at the high school now.
Elaine

Anonymous said...

Wonder when was the last time the Mother Nature had to redesign and improve natural grass?

It's cooler than artificial turf, recyclable and doesn't cost half a million bucks to replace every 8 to 10 years.

And its what they use at Cranberry's Dick/Graham Sports Complex.
Dick's... hmmmm aren't they that national retailer they specializes in sports?

Guess they're yorth sports haters too.

Anonymous said...

Interesting!

" Since our club’s inception in 2004, Stars United has partnered with Seneca Valley Soccer Association (SVSA) and contributed club funds to several soccer field development projects in the Cranberry Township area.  Stars United recognizes the importance of providing the best possible training and game facilities for our players.  Through our partnership with SVSA, we ensure that all soccer players enjoy some of the best soccer fields and facilities in Western Pennsylvania. 

The Dick’s Sporting Goods Sportsplex at Graham Park, which opened in the Spring of 2009, features four beautiful, well-maintained natural grass soccer fields with lights."

Lebo Citizens said...

Just an FYI, the YSA proposal is airing on TV. People will have the opportunity to follow along with the YSA proposal that I have linked to this blog. You will have "home field advantage" since the presentation was impossible to see during the meeting. The print was too small and the field background made it impossible to read. So James Cannon III, you didn't miss anything by not being at the meeting.
Elaine

anonymous said...

The fact that turf is different than when Jack Lambert played (which is an asburd comment) make stthe argument for turfing now even worse when you look at the links Cannon provided. Even the most advanced products on the market are still shunned by the pros in favor of real grass. GIve it up, Franklin. This game is over. If you want turf, go to some other community to find the Field In-Your-Dreams.

Jack Mulliken said...

I'm sorry but "you hate sports" is a straw-man argument. If that's the best someone's bringing to the table, it will be hard to have a constructive conversation.

Let's put things in the scope of how you would run your house. If you wanted to have a landscaper work on your yard, you would probably look up reviews or talk to people who have used a landscaper. If you read reviews or heard word of mouth references to the effect that "the condition of my yard was horrible" you wouldn't use that landscaper.

So when you translate that over to the ball fields, I have a question for the YSA. Do you really want an entity that has let the fields to into such bad condition manage the fields in the future? Wouldn't you prefer the opportunity to actually buy a field(s) and then choose someone who will maintain the fields to your standards and desires? Wouldn't you prefer to be less captive to the whims of local government and focus your energy on making better fields for the kids?

Being suckled to the government does nothing good for you. The only logical direction the YSA should be arguing is privatization of the fields so they don't have to worry about this situation in the future.

I know it's scary going it on your own but you'll find down the road that you have a better field and complete control of your destiny.

Lebo Citizens said...

Sorry for the cross post. The following threat comes from Dave Franklin. Please humor me and sign you name when you take a shot at him. Of course, on his blog, he permits anonymous shots at me.

Elaine:

Please be advised that I am no longer going to comment on your blog. I'm sure
that makes you happy. However, please also understand that the next time I am
defamed by an anonymous poster, I will take appropriate action. Thank you for
your cooperation.

Dave Franklin

Anonymous said...

I have never been fond of the blow hard, full of gas turf people thinking they are " entitled" to spend the taxpaper's money on their own "pet projects." They need to leave and go somewhere else. Too many attorneys involved with blowing their hot air. There are more important issues going on in the community. Crazy drivers, speeding, infrastructure maintenance along with no municipal trees being pruned. The Commissioner's priorties are definitely misplaced. They have no common sense!